TAP all over the place -unusable


#1

Anyone else notice that the TAP feature is almost useless? I used tap a lot in the past with competitor’s mixers and by the 4th-10th tap, I would always land at a BPM steadily. Even if it was a hard track to tap to, i would at least land within the right whole number and be a few decimal places off.

On the X1800, I have not been able to do this, the BPM jumps dramatically to the point where i find it unusable.

FWIW, I find the tap function in the Engine Prime software to be as bad as the mixer.

Can we please address this in future releases for both the mixer and the software?

Thanks


#2

Thank you for your feedback. I will pass this onto the development team. Just to be sure, are you on the latest firmware for the mixer and latest software for Engine Prime?


#3

Thank you so much. And yes, I had ensured I am on the latest updates on Mixer, Engine Prime software, and SC5ks (although they don’t really factor in on the tab feature).

UPDATE: Spent a few hours last night playing around and feel very confident that the TAP feature on the mixer and the engine prime software could use benefit a second look at by the dev team. Just mention this to reassure the dev team that I actually put in the time testing and not basing this on a quick exploration.
Cheers


#5

Hey @Shain,

Thanks for your feedback! We are currently working on some improvements to manual tempo mode for the next update. I’ll have our test team take a closer look at TAP and see if there are improvements that should be made as part of current work.

I am curious why do you use TAP tempo with SC5000? As you know, SC5000 and X1800 offers 1:1 BPM syncing between the player and the FX module when Engine Connect active (ethernet connection between player mixer).


#6
  1. Engine Prime bpm algorithm. BPM on the players could be wrong.
  2. He could be using his X1800 with CDJs or Turntables
  3. Tapping and echoing out for a BPM change…you can be playing track 1 with 130bpm and tap it at 100bpm …echo that out to bring in a 100bpm track

#7

Hi @JWiLL,

I do in deed use 2 SC5000s with the X1800. I use the tap button because on some tracks that are 6/8 beats mainly (but not always), Engine Prime has set the wrong BPM. To get around this, I analyze the song in TP3 and use that figure in EP. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions and thanks for taking this to the test team.

Cheers, Shain


#8

Got it! I think you will like the new mode we are working on :slight_smile:


#9

All makes sense. Thanks @mufasa!


#10

Link to a Alpha/Beta or we don’t believe ya :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


#11

I have to use tap when for some unknown reason the bpm shown on the x1800 doesnt match the bpm shown on the sc5000 or sc5000m. I have one of each. All are ethernet connected through the x1800. It didnt seem to happen until i switched from RCA cables to digital cables. Could that have mattered? Please guide me.


#12

As far as i know, this data is sent via the ethernet cable/ports.

" You can network multiple SC5000 Prime units together, enabling them to share track databases, timing and BPM information, and other data seamlessly over this connection." -page 6 of user guide link HERE

Is it always the same tracks or random? Also, have you confirmed that the BPM detection is set to “auto” on the mixer?


#13

Hi @DJHannonSolo, @Shain is correct. When SC5000/M devices are connected to the X1800 via Ethernet all of the BPM data is sent directly to the BPM FX module. Is the Engine Connect LED on? If not, push the Engine Connect button above the display.

Also, when the BPM is sent from player to mixer via Ethernet (Engine Connect), you will see the Engine headphone logo near the BPM on the display. Do you see this icon?

When Engine Connect is active you should see the icon when the source is LINE or DIGITAL. PHONO sources use an internal BPM algorithm.