You mean this one which is exactly what the OP is querying
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If you put your hand along the edge of the record to stop it and then hit pause, thereās no motor on there doing anything to move the record. It does not cause the vinyl record to go magically in reverse after you remove your hand from the edge of the record once the platter has completely stopped. With zero stop speed on that knob, I have even stopped the platter manually at the same moment I hit pause, in nearly the same action putting my hand on both pause and platter edge. Works fine and I feel no reverse motor action, only the subtle rebound wobble on both my Ms that I assume is some bounce off a rubber part on the brake mechanism.
You canāt set up pause to stop the music immediately without affecting the ability to do slow trick stops and sudden motor-off scratchesā¦ unless it becomes completely canned and stops detecting the record entirely upon hitting pause. Since people often hit pause with a slow stop time and perform a scratch in there or something else, thatās really a no-go.
If thatās not good enough, I suggest you consider either turning the motor off when you want pause to stop the music perfectly every time or maybe even consider getting the non-Ms.
Clearly not since thatās not my thread, and going back and reading it I see that I gave the exact same response at the end as I just did the OP in the thread we are in right now.
Turning off the motor before you brake seems to be the one of the best choices. You can always use your crosfader to cut out before the kickback (a little old school technique)
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I never claimed it magically goes in reverse? It just spins backwards for a couple of millimeters with the added non-benefit of there being a scratching sound associated with it. As you can see and hear happening in the videos Iāve linked.
Here is me stopping the platter manually, and it āmagicallyā going in reverse even though i helped it coming to a complete stop: https://youtu.be/ETaQh3VEIM8?t=70
Its hard to film it using one hand, but hopefully it helps.
I donāt want the music to immediately stop when i press pause, i understand that there is a scratch sound as the track is shutting off regardless of stop time, that is not what bothers me. What this whole thread (and this one: 5000m - when stopping the platter, it still moves a little (which makes noise) - #22 by Wyley1) is about, is the sound that comes from the motor rebound after the track and spinning of the platter has come to a stop.
What i can gather from the responses so far is that this is a feature, not a bug then. Its still mildly frustrating.
You said twice above that the motor goes in reverseā¦
I donāt feel any motor reversing action. All I feel is a slight brake mechanism wobble, and my hand on the record edge can prevent that, and if I have stop speed at zero and put my hand on the platter edge at the same moment I hit pause I can also prevent the slight wobble.
And obviously with the motor off pause is instant.
Itās not a feature, itās just a reality. The platter braking mechanism does not consistently perfectly stop the M. Itās relatively minor and there are ways to mitigate it. A perfect software fix for pausing with motor on would mess up other aspects of the unit, though.
I think you know what i mean after seeing the videos i linked, sorry for not using the correct DJ/motor technician terminology.
In the last video i posted you can see me stopping the platter with my finger, and when i let go the causes the platter to go in the opposite direction even if i brought the platter to a complete stop with my finger.
That is probably going to happen regardless of whether the motor has been running or not or even whether the brake has been utilized from the looks of it on yours. Try slowly manually rotating the platter around to different spots and stopping it and see if it keeps wanting to rotate around on its own depending on where you stop it. That would be a matter of the platter being imbalanced, either through not being level or because itās got some defect in the distribution of mass on it.
Mine actually have spots around the platter where if I manually rotate it they will tend to want to settle slightly back to certain other spots. Some angles will not do it and some will, which means either mine are not level too or the platter and/or motor has some mass distribution imbalances. No biggy either way, but my bubble level is at a venue right now and I canāt determine which it is.
I have tried manually rotating the platter and stopping it at different spots, it still always rotates backwards on its own after the playback has come to a complete stop. The surface its standing on is levelled, i can even hold it up in an angle and it still rotates counterclockwise a couple of millimeter when stopping playback regardless where i stop it.
It is clear youāre not really bothered by this on your unit, but i am.
Seeing as there are other people who has noticed the same thing it would be great to hear from someone at Denon if this is something that they consider a malfunction, an unavoidable byproduct of the motor they use or if it is an intended feature. I am still unsure if i should or could return the unit in the hopes of getting a unit that has a motor similar to the one on my other SC5000M which doesnāt have this problem. (i have a warranty so if it is indeed something that shouldnāt happen with these players iād like to know sooner rather than later)
Thanks for your replies and workarounds for dealing with this issue though.