Playback hiccups with key lock on

With key lock on I occasionally noticed that the occasional beat would have kind of a muffled transient.

So for house and techno that I play the odd beat will sound as it it’s slightly ducked or muffled - only once in a blue moon.

Was playing back an original last night I just got back from the mastering engineer and the 4the beat of ever bar was definitely muffled but only with key lock on.

Anyone experience this?

Not a deal breaker just curious

Were you at 0% or some other spot, and how far away from zero?

Thanks - this was at zero. In other playing I’ve noticed nothing with more extreme shifts.

I can make a video if that’s helpful

Couple things to think about here: Pioneers are bit perfect at zero pitch, keylock on or off, and only minimally process away from zero pitch with keylock off. On Pioneer, there’s no keylock-specific processing going on at zero pitch at all. While the Hanpin players aren’t bit perfect ever, like Pioneers they also add no additional processing at zero pitch when keylock is on. So on Pioneer and Hanpin, when you’re at zero pitch, it doesn’t matter whether keylock is on or off, though Pioneer has the least amount of processing degradation possible with keylock off. Remember, degradation/distortion is cumulative.

Comparing with keylock off, Primes are already processing & degrading more than even the Hanpins. At the very least, there’s sample rate conversion always going on. Unlike Pioneer and Hanpin, the Primes process the audio additionally at zero pitch when keylock is on. At zero, the difference between keylock on and off on the Primes is pretty subtle, but I think I hear it generally, and it is a measurable difference I can demonstrate. It sounds like you’ve picked up on a particular not-so-subtle quirk. I’ll be on the lookout for it. If I’m at zero pitch and not using key change, though, I usually just turn keylock off. I recommend you do that, too, for now.

There is a slight loss in audio quality while using Keylock on the Primes. Ive compared it to being similar as the audio loss of keylock using Traktor (pre-3). I’ve had other people comment on it as well when using them, saying that the players sound better with keylock off. I am expecting this to improve as they improve the performance of the players over time.

Particularly if you compare something like -11.90% with -2 keys to turning key lock off entirely at the same pitch spot, which shouldn’t sound that much different. I was wondering where the midrange was and why there was a touch of grunge even compared to what the X1800 normally adds even at 96khz. Flicking keylock off quickly and the midrange snapped forward and became coherent, and the grit or grunge suddenly reduced. Doesn’t get rid of the slight smear everything has by default right now, but did noticeably clean up some of the players’ distortion and fix the mids noticeably.