Backed up by actual tests, not guesses. The high-end roll-off was not entirely fixed and the 100X more intermodulation distortion on the players compared to Pioneer was not addressed at all.
Not provable faxts though
On our computer or phone screens, we can watch x-wings blowing up a giant space station, plant like creatures staging people off to the upside down in stranger things , blood sucking creatures turning into bats, people from Krypton flying around and shooting lasers out they eyes, and then we can look your pretty graphs.
Video or still anything can be faked by anyone for any reasons.
You can blabber on all you want making completely pointless references, but all you have to do is run RMAA yourself over SPDIF and prove me wrong… in other words show that the numbers drastically improved on the IMD results for 44.1khz tracks or that the response traces now have no roll off. I produced evidence that could be repeated by anyone or disproved and you produced nothing. My results, at least for the frequency response traces, were consistent with those from several other people. There was also another user in those links who ran sweeps over a spectrum analyzer and showed the distortion harmonics being generated. So you acting like this is a one-off is misleading to readers. Anyone can follow those links and repeat what we did. If someone can show that our methodology is flawed, I welcome it.
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You’re the minority in your slur news
No one else here, myself included m, has to do anything. We play our Primes to our dancing customers and all those around them dancing fun and no complaints.
I could tell the difference between high end roll of and no high end roll off after the firmware release. But there’s nothing else wrong left, detectable by humans and humans are all of us and all of our customers.
Well that’s false, but it’s a free world and you can believe what you want. Everytime you spout that misleading info, though, I’m going to call you out on it. Free world and all.
You’re a bit out of line here. High-end roll-off was proven and could still be better after the fix. Not only by Reti but also by me and others.
I don’t mind your opinion, but calling it fake is simply nonsense. We’re here to make the product better, not kill it.
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If you wanna not sound like you’re incapable of handling evidence and don’t want to admit to just being too lazy to check it out yourself, you might want to just say, “it’s not important to me” and leave it at that. That’s a respectable comment. This other stuff you’re doing is not.
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… and i give a tip, and this for all here: Back to Topic please? 
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The firmware did slightly improve the high-frequency response compared to the old firmware, particularly more so for 96khz. It did nothing to the distortion harmonics that are tens of dB louder on the Prime players (look at the sweep video) than Pioneers when changing the pitch fader with keylock Off or the IMD measurements for 44.1khz tracks. There was a slight improvement to the IMD measurements for 96khz tracks, but that appears to have been due to some even more substantial defects in processing for higher sampling rate tracks compared to lower sampling rates than the processing maladies that are common to all sampling rates currently on playback.
They were thinking how to give a 4 channel mixer standalone but not losing sales on their nexus or xdj… absolutely ridiculous, it’s a poor attempt and as many people said before they will sell it because it’s pioneer
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There is no danger for Pioneer in losing sales for Nexus. Nexus players with a chosen mixer offer a setup of separate components with the option to upgrade any of it at any time and repair, if need be, only the faulty component, while a full integrated system, like XDJ-XZ, PRIME4 or MCX8000, do not offer any possibility for hardwares upgrade and in case of a failure is game over until the whole system is repaired. It is up to the user which setup serves his purpose. In an integrated systems there are so many components prone to failure, especially if the quality and durability check policies are not enforced upon the manufacturer. Sadly, we are dealing with a plague of poor quality control policies and sometimes lack of respect for the end user in every product we buy today, because many people look for cheap deals and sometimes they lie themselves in order to justify buying cheaper. My wish for Denon DJ is to be something different, out of the box state of mind, not being afraid of the concept “built like a tank”, playing in their own league, together with customers support and feedback and the road is set for greatness. Strive for perfection!
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The all in one problem is usual . It’s cheaper to make and to buy all in one because as some part can be share part like power supply , the processor, the graphic unit, the displays or display , connectors
But if one small bit break on all in one then you have lost everything to the repair center
Well said @Canaris
And honestly what’s mostly sad about the QC is that it ultimately lets down the hard work and dreams of so many people who built the product from the ground up.
You could buy 2 xz for the price of a nx2 setup and have some coin to spare.
You could even buy 3 P4’s for the price of a nx2 setup and still have some coin to spare.
You could probably even have 2x sc5000m with the xz for the same price as nx2 setup and still get an x1800 mixer by defacto 
But one photo says it all.
You could get an xz + cdj2000nx2 + whatever their sampler is called for the same price as the nx2 setup without anything being cannibalized. They could boost dwindling sales of the cdj2knx2.
I think pio did a good job with this one. 3 years ago this would of looked like the ultimate thing to get but now it seems, in a lot of ways, like it’s almost 2 generations behind what I have with my deck. Fanboys enjoy your new toy lol
I am not even comparing. For 1 I already have the P4 and it really has to be earth-shattering to get me to “upgrade”. Secondly, there are people who will only buy Pioneer, because, well … it’s Pioneer! And they are the “club standard”, whatever that still means these days.
But more importantly with the ability to use (third party) tools to create usb sticks and hard disks that can seamlessly work in all environments (including say Serato and Traktor as well as native Rekordbox & Prime), there really isn’t too much reason NOT to choose what appeals to you personally and still be able to play out on just about ANYTHING out there you might run into. Never mind that “I want to use CDJs cause that is what I will run into at venues and festivals” is certainly true for big venues (that are more and more geared towards having DJs bring their own gear) and big festivals, but there is only a very small percentage of Pioneer buyers that will ever reach the level for that assumption to hold true. Most of us will end up in places that have no or shabby gear (and trust me, you don’t want to be caught playing on a set of hollowed out CDJ-800s with a shabby -seen better days- mixer with half the knobs missing, no matter how “club-standard” they once were).
So, while the tech geek in me is always interested in seeing what others come up with, the true DJ in me is just happy I can go without laptop, still use my own preferred workflow to keep collection up to date and tracks wel prepped and don’t fret what gear I am pitched against should I get in a position where bringing your own is not an option.
Another thing of note: I deal with a few rental companies and most of them have seriously REDUCED the number of Pioneer CDJ2K sets for rental over the last 2-3 years. Not because they bought other brands, but because more and more DJ’s that go to places with rental gear don’t ask for specific gear anymore, just for two XLR connectors to plug in their own gear’s (controller) master outputs.
My 3 cents as usual. Everybody please keep spinning the way and on gear that suits YOU!
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