Improved BPM detection

  • What is the feature or ability you would like to have? Improved bpm detection for al styles of music

  • How will this feature help you and others?

  1. It will allow hardware Beat FX to work better
  2. Sync will work better
  3. Library Sorting will work better
  4. Resolume will work better
  5. Soundswitch will work better
  6. Beat jump will work better
  7. Loops will work better
  8. The world will be a better place
  9. It will make library and file management easier
  10. It will reduce the burden of manually scouting through my library trying to find songs with abnormal BPM.
  • Is this feature available in an existing product? If so, what product?

Serato, Traktor, Rekordbox, Virtual DJ, DJay, Mixx

  • Does a workaround currently exist? Tapping the beat, Looking up BPM on the internet and manually adding it

  • How often would you use this feature? 24-7

  • Is there any additional information you’d like to add?

I know Denon is aware of this as it predates the “feature request” thread.

https://denondjforum.com/t/bpm-error-with-drum-bass/5478?u=mufasa

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Not sure how this doesn’t have 100x likes. I’ve been finding every 1/10 ish songs don’t have the BPM’s correctly analyzed after using EP.

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Maybe it does … divided between the dozens of individual posts people are making without searching to see if someone’s already requested it.

The topic title also suggests that the bpm detection has already been improved . People might be reading that and thinking they don’t have to vote for it coz it’s already happened.

Still need to keep pressuring Denon, if we don’t no one else will. As of last update I am still finding consistent BPMs improperly analyzed. I can’t speak for others but this is my experience at the moment.

They’ve already said they’re aware of it and working on it. I’d rather they did it right in their own time than half-right because they felt rushed. Eg: “we want update firmware every second Tuesday !!!”. I doubt on-screen blackmails and hurry-ups will bring any firmware forward on demons roadmap.

We’ve no idea how many other updates might be entwines with whatever work is being done on bpm but we know already that many existing functions rely on bpm so denon might have to test a lot of exiting features and pending features with any and every change they make to the bpm algorithm.

It’s under feature request.

Feature Request : Improved BPM detection

They are aware of it. I remember @paul_denondj listing it in that long firmware update thread.

Created this one to combine all the threads I could find on it. There was no feature request thread then :wink:

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The MCX8000 was released in 2016. BPM detection was an issue brought up way back then and still is today (three years later and soon to be four). I think that end users have been more than patient for the fix. I’m with djbertie: Keep the pressure on.

For the record, I own an MCX8000. It’s a heck of a Serato controller, but the real reason that I purchased it was because it was marketed as a standalone unit. Prime Users can’t fully realize the potential of the products until the BPM detection is improved. If Denon DJ resolves this issue with Engine Prime (and a few other minor userability issues), I predict that they will become the new standard for the DJ community. #ChangeYourRider will be a real thing and not just a hashtag that isn’t trending right now.

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i didnt realise this issue was 4 years old, im glad i jumped off the bandwagon. based on that i would guess the issue was never intended to be solved. and probably never will be.

heres the thread i made about the bpm analysis, Mixmeister is owned by in music. There flagship players would be fixed overnight if they could share there sister companys bpm analysis technology under the hood.

I’m still here lol.

Denon is stuck with me and I will keep on advocating for improved user experience.

The NZ guys are pushing out updates faster than we can even test them but nothing in relation to the native bpm algorithm.

PS I appreciate the id tags bpm workaround but it’s a workaround, that requires one to use a different software and perform two different analyses.

Plus 1 for this- well documented issue. Well needed.

A real good solution is to have a menu for analysis where one can select between BPM analysis or waveform analysis or both, keeping the ability of the software to retain the BPM info from id3tags where it exists.

This story is badly titled.

Calling it “Improved - better bpm detection” makes it sound like the benefit has already happened. But instead this is just a another request for feature

It’s nested under feature request.

How should it be titled?

I’m not sure that’s it’s the wrongly worded title that’s stopped them from improving the bpm algorithm this last 3 years though

@JWiLL can you kindly edit the topic title to “Please Improve the BPM detection Algorithm” or whatever best conveys that we will like the BPM detection algorithm to be better.

:snowman_with_snow::snowman:

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No news?

Please Denon, fix the bpm analysis

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This should be the first feature/fix to address. The others are nice to have. Ok, you are not going to give a date, but dear Denon team (@JWiLL and the other pros)… at least confirm that you are addressing it as a main priority and it will be fixed.

Thanks

Hi @The_Double_V - I have confirmed this is in multiple threads. Improving the BPM and downbeat detection are very high on our list. These are actively being worked on by our team now. I’ll update this thread when the improvement is available.

Thank you @JWiLL.

Of course in the meantime I’m using my ears for beatmatching plus a little bit of extra work in preparation fixing manually songs while creating the hotcues and rating for each song, and yes: enjoying the fabulous Prime 4 gear. It’s only the hope of not needing the extra work and being able to show my Pioneer colleagues that Denon works perfectly!

Thanks again and by the way happy 2020 to everyone.

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Looking at the release notes of the new X1850 Mixer

This looks like a function that will require accurate BPM detection and advanced beatgrid options on the players/engine prime

#FixEngineBPM

I think it already does that? The Fx are already synced with the BPM from the connected players with my setup (sc5kms and x1800) maybe there’s something different to it that I’m missing in the text?

We have visual evidence as well now.

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