BPM Analysis & the 195 BPM Artificial Ceiling


#1

Greetings DenonDJ Forums - this is my first post. I picked up an sc5000 a week ago in the hopes that the Denon players could/will replace my Pioneer CDJ-2000nxs2 players.

I play a lot of music that averages around 190BPM though can range as high as 210-215 bpm. I’m curious why Denon (as of Dec 27 2018) chose to cap the BPM analysis at 195 bpm?

I totally get that the majority of DJs out there do not require a BPM analysis higher than this - but hundreds of records and tracks come out every month exceeding this range. I’ll assume that Denon hasn’t taken an aesthetic stance regarding 200 BPM music, so perhaps the need is just something that hasn’t been considered? Or maybe something is planned for the future releases?

Looking forward to learning more about this player, seeing how Engine evolves, and ending my dependence on Pioneer DJ. Thanks! matt+


#2

Hey @mattpositive we are aware of this issue & we are in the process of addressing it. Thank you


#4

Thanks for confirming that Denon is actively in the process of addressing the upper range BPM limit - opposed to a vaguely hostile, totally non-committal un-answer one might imagine receiving at certain rival existing Support/Forums. I’ve only been on here for a week after picking up a sc5000 but already it feels so much better checking in here to read the latest posts/replies, than I used to feel when staying current with some other forum. Looking forward to the future!


#6

I’m a open format Dj, but Denon people, please, Why can’t we manually change the bpm in engine prime? I mean this isn’t rocket science.

I am, Not happy with this purchase of sc5000 prime, why can’t I see the music wave while connected to serato? The Denin Mcx has the screens while used with serato, but their flagship doesn’t? Who is doing the descition making here? Another things is that, it’s not so simple to drag and drop crates from Serato. However, It’s 2019 and serato, reckordbox tracktor and virtual Dj been having this feature for ever.

How is it that Sc5000’s are a profesional system but prime is in need of a MAJOR overhaul and not 6 months away, I’m talking about right now! How does Denon expects people to spend such large sums of money, and this Engine prime and I can’t even manually adjust a simple BPM in it, perhaps I don’t know how to do it, but that is even worst, because if the lack of tutorials is unprecedented for any system on the market.

There are 250 Dollar pioneer controllers that have more tutorials than the whole prime collection, So I don’t understand why was this BPM cap started to begging with. I mean the person who decided on this should not even be on the team, because obviously he had no idea about the many people that use genres above 200 bpm. Since when is Restriction ever helpful on your prepare music software?

Why do I say this? There are thousands of Latin DJ’s that Denon is not taking into account that play over 200 bpm daily in clubs weaddings and birthdays. Yet Engine prime provides highly inaccurate readings in Latin genre music and it can’t even be manipulated in Engine prime.

So the question is, when can we expect a serious overhaul on prime, that takes into account Not only Dj’s That play house music? But also other Genres like Latin music, Because if that is Denon goal just to go for house music, it should be advertised as such, that way we know there is no support for other genre Dj’s. I’m Not happy with this transition thus far, there is not fast updates for the prime series.


#7

Same reasons why Pioneer CDJ’s don’t have it when connected with SDJ. Nothing new, there are several topics here on forum and god knows how much on Serato and Pioneer forums. All conclude same thing: Serato does the integration with software. With SC5000 at least you get 4 deck control over SDJ.

Unlike CDJs and SC players, MCX was made from start with Serato as SDJ controller and as such got full integration


#8

The BPM algorithm really struggles at anything other than house or techno.

I’ve had my units for more than year now and I’ve never done one gig publicly in standalone with them. I either use the SR2 or my DJ808.

If January comes and goes…and this bpm algorithm is still not looked at…I guess its time to start reconsidering my decision to invest in the Prime set up.

Please Denon…don’t let the multi genre DJs down. Whilst this cohort may not headline festivals but we make many people happy (and a few people sad when you don’t play their request) every night of the week at the local bar/pub/wedding venue/school dance

There are other styles of music you know…even the golden boy Laidback Luke plays hip hop in his sets.

I’m rooting for you.