I have two SC5000 and a X1800 mixer connected via USB and Ethernet to my Macbook and does not get a reasonable sync signal to Ableton Live or my Beat-Counter.
What the X1800 sends as MIDI-Clock via DIN or USB is not in sync to the beat-link from any of the SC5000 and does not synchronize at all when the tempo is changed on the SC5000 with sync on.
The X1800 also does not send a MIDI-Clock Start signal. It just stops or starts the MIDI-Clock.
Both SC5000 are perfect in sync and changes instantly the tempo but the X1800 not!
Itās not the MIDI-Signal itself, itās the way generating the MIDI-Clock!
James Elliot wrote another program to beat-link via carabiner to Ableton Link:
It also can start at bar level and is perfect in sync even when fast tempo changes happens.
I use the MIDI-Clock signal also for my Beat-Counter, it can drive COBās via DMX.
Here two videos where the Beat-Conter is connected to Ableton Live via MIDI-USB perfectly in sync:
Whilst thereās no shareable protocol info regarding SC5000 currently, 2018 will be a year where SC5000 connectivity with other devices really opens up.
I think the main problem I have is with the X1800. It seems that itās not talking to each of my SC5000.
By pressing the Engine button on the X1800, nothing happens on any of the SCās.
I cannot reproduce what is shown in this video:
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1:54 Engine connect button press and hold, no respond on any SCās
2:14 Tempo change, nothing happens on the X1800, no Engine icon pops up on the mixer
2:35 On air active platter color, no change on the X1800
The mis-matched firmware in the mixer versus the players, verified by the players warning that the mixer firmware is too low/old for good Engine Connect, is definitely the first thing to correct.
Thanks for checking it.
Then I donāt understand why there is a mismatch when I update the mixer and the SCās with the same update package. When updating the mixer, the updater tells me itās updated to version 1.0. Checking the mixers version after update on the mixer itself, it tells me it has version D:0106, M:1107. During the update process everything runs fine, no error.
What can I do now? Any idea?
I bought the brand new Prime X1850 and SC6000M set and testing it at the moment.
I have issues with firmware 1.1 for X1850, please see New Firmware v1.1 for x1850
I wish I could convince Yāall just how much opening up the Prime gear to Ableton Link would set you apart from the rest of the pack. I personally know several DJs that want to buy SC6000s, but are sticking with Pioneer because there is still an option to link Ableton Live wā their CDJs via Beat-Link-Trigger. Hell, no longer having access to B-L-T is really starting to make me sad. I knew what I was getting into by switching out my CDJs for SC6000s, but as these weeks have gone on, itās starting to get unbearable, LOL!
This isnāt just about triggering tempo-syncād clips with our mixes, but also (for those of us who have analog mixers) to use tempo-syncād software EFX (Ableton/iPad). So, if Yāall were thinking of releasing your own version of a DJS-1000 that works within the Prime network, that wonāt fulfill the desire to have Ableton Link or Beat-Link-Trigger support.
PLEASE implement Ableton Link or at the very least release your sync protocol so James Elliot & Co can work their magic and add Beat-Link-Trigger support to the Prime players. Iām begging Yāall!!
Itās been three years and a just a few requests for more evolved, or involved, midi links. Very few, according to a search for āmidiā in prime forums.
Itās not happened so my guess would be either denon see it as poor ROI (return on investment) or denon have got something up their sleeve with one of their associates companies like Akai. I donāt know how many DJs who bought prime own any midi kit - at a guess Iād put it in the lower single digits percentage wise
Or maybe engine prime is going to tip acid over the āstandaloneā trophy of prime and will have a performance mode which will have all the midi functionality in that - a bit of a kick in the mouth for standalone purchasers. But then again, once you start plugging midi bits and boxes in, a prime product isnāt standalone anyway.
All these ideas above are just purely guessing on my part, Iāve not read or heard anything To back up any of the guesses
You know, the fact that Denon hasnāt even attempted to enable Link on itās players leads me to believe that they just wonāt. I know that DJs that push the boundaries of what it means to be a DJ are few and far between, but we are out here, and some of us choose Denon gear for a number of reasons. Mainly innovation and workflow. We want answers, is Ableton Link in the pipeline?
We will know what is in the pipeline as soon as it gets to our hands. Denon like many big companies donāt show whatās cooking before itās ready. We need to wait and see whatās coming. I just hope our requests will be fulfilled in a good way, and every user will be happy.
I know for a fact that if denon somehow manages to apply abelton link to the prime series no one will be satisfied with itās performance and there will be a continuous epicycle of requests and demands for denon to fix something that is present by nature and canāt be changed.
And for those who advocate for abelton link should produce a video to demonstrate itās effectiveness when djing.
No one can produce a video can they. I know cause I use Ableton link with my iPad between devices and apps.
lol every month or so i check into the denondjforum to:
see if thereās anything new/interesting i should know about my sc5000,
see if the culture of self-appointed gatekeepers, comically overstated grand inquisitors, inflexible and reactionary-minded DJs who ājust use their earsā, fear almost anything new or different, take criticism of a product made by a giant corporation personally, and are disgusted by their fellow consumers inability to "just be gratefulā for the gifts given by InMusic in the form of occasional fixes, updates and third-party partnerships which translates in Galactic Standard Speech to āfirmware updates.ā
check if thereās been any word regarding Ableton Link and the sc5000.
So i have to sincerely admit, i am thoroughly impressed with your response @Wyley1 regarding Ableton Link, the predictability of consumers in a capitalist system, use of the word āfactsā, and the absolute Truth you seem to possess about Ableton Link and its potential for DJing (based in part on a personal use of some ipad apps and an assortment of un-named ādevicesā).
i havenāt posted to anything on this forum in over a year, so as a personal thank you for inspiring me to do something i vowed (via digital blood oath) to never again do, iāll create the very video which āno one can produceā in the hopes of showing you that, in a world where consumers never stop advocating for themselves like epicycles in the sky that keep on turning, what you once thought literally IMpossible, is literally ()possible! No need to thank me, though i do need to know just one thing:
What are your requirements for āeffectivenessā.
Once I know your requirements, Iāll produce a video showing that, contrary to your concerns, Ableton Link is a useful, totally reliable, method of DJing using only gear* (with strong suggestions that Link works similarly for hybrid DJing, gear DJing, and even ipad device djing) .
Would a short demonstration djing in the music genre(s) of my choice using an Akai Force + xdj-1000mk2 (x1, x2, x3? i can throw in another sampler or a different cdj, etc)** work for you?
Let me know
cf. below
** āā¦but Pioneer DJ CDJs and XDJs donāt even use Ablerton Linkā youāre no doubt saying. True. Pioneer DJās DJ gear uses PRO LINK (a closed system, proprietary communication protocol used to transmit both timing/syncing-type data as well as audio file and associated metadata between their devices). But letās go back to 2017ā¦by which i mean just scroll up to the top of this post where ther OP discusses an open source github project called Beat-Link which allows PRO LINK to translate into Ableton Link timing info. so I will also have an old raspberry pi (3b+) running a small open source tool that converts Pioneer DJās PRO LINK protocol to Ableton Link connected to the setup. And since the Akai Force can sync via Ableton Link, and Beat-Link will functionally turn the PRO LINK gear into Ableton Link-enabled devices, a clear demonstration can be shown.
