Auto Mix function

Thank you Vrtra for agreeing with me on this. It’s amazing how hard Denon is marketing to the mobile DJ community but they won’t listen to what we need.

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I think some got it wrong. Nobody is getting angry at this feature request. A request for this was already made before and most of us support it and put a like on it.

Until this feature request becomes reality does it mean that you can’t have the autofade/automix on your mains now? Yes you can.

Does it mean you have to design a complicated setup as a workaround? No

Does it mean that you have to lose a deck by physical wiring the zone out back into the prime4? No

You can do it now but not the way that people expect.

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After many years of DJing, I’m no longer convinced that party goers chatting while mingling and having meals really give two hoots about two second gaps between tracks

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Of course most people dont care about gaps but same could be said for like 80% of the people at weddings for the whole night and even alot (probably not the majority but still alot) people at clubs don’t care about mixing at all and wouldn’t care about gaps.

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I find it hard to believe that people paying to enter to a club like Amnesia, Space or Prohibition, go there just to make selfies with the DJs. When you go to a club, you go mainly because you expect to see a DJ mixing music, using his hands and skills, to create an atmosphere. It’s the reason club owners pay good money to secure good DJs appearances.

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And that’s spot on FOR WHAT OTHER DJs look at when going to a club. But, Some very high 95+ percentage, if not higher) of soggy drunken public aren’t DJs, there to get some porno-like high from looking at the DJ, spotting light fixtures that are bust, hearing a blown tweeter, noticing a lack of cable ties or safety wires ,

Most people in a club or at any other event are there to have a drink, a dance and a date, with a option of horizontal dancing later, if they’re lucky. Get in!

The main part of the evening shouldn’t have gaps, but that’s what the live DJ is there for, and it’s what we’re paid for. But automix, I think, is more of interest to DJs who wants spend some time at the bar, bog, blonde etc than to the public who got there at early doors

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Usually, serious clubs don’t relie on a single DJ doing the whole night. For those who relie on just one DJ, there’s nothing stopping him to put his equipment on controller mode or use some good mashups during brakes. As for the time spent at the bar, blending and rubbing shoulders with some pretty girls, there is time for that also, but not when I am supposed to be in the booth doing what the club owners pay me to do. Even the people who arrive early deserve some quality time and that is a good time for me to experiment or to test something and make the proper adjustments. Just my humble opinion.

Yes. You’ve made several good points why pro gear doesn’t need / shouldn’t have automix

I don’t say the pro equipment should not have this capability, but, just that we have options to work with in the absence of this feature, at least until it will become available, eventually. When it will be a reality, then it is up to the man at the “helm” to decide if he would use it or not.

There seems to be a misconception of the reason for this thread. Let me do a little explanation as to why I created it. Before I start I have to advise this will be a long post however it will make sense in the end.

First I need to acknowledge that I am strictly a wedding and private party DJ who has been in the industry since 1996. I’ve been around to see the change from audio cassette to CD, from CD to MP3 on a CD, from MP3 to minidisc, minidisc to laptop, and now laptop to Standalone controller. With that being said I have a lot of experience in the changes in the market.

Next I need to acknowledge that there are more than one type of DJ out there. And with each DJ comes a different type of mixing. Now when people think of DJ’s they think of club DJs and that is 1 type. However there are other types of DJs as well and each type needs different things. There’s also wedding DJs which is what I am, karaoke DJs, house and techno DJs, bar and bat mitzvah DJs, prom and homecoming DJs, etc.

Not only are there different types of DJs out there but the types of parties that you do very based on your location. For example weddings in the Detroit Michigan area (which is where I’m from) are going to be very different from weddings in someplace like New York or Alabama. Let me give you a little background as to how weddings work in Detroit Michigan.

First weddings in Michigan can go as long as 10 hours with the average wedding being 6 to 7 hours long. Now for those who are not wedding DJs you have to understand how a wedding works. You have your cocktail hour , you have your dinner hour (which can be 2 to 3 hours long) and you have your dancing. Every DJ is different when it comes to how they run their weddings if they are wedding DJ. For me, between cocktail and dinner hour I have to get the bridal party lined up and make sure their names are correct. Then during dinner hour I go around to all the tables to get guest requests and introduce myself.

Also, the majority of my weddings are in one room for both dinner and dancing. For now I’m willing to go ahead and plug the zone out into my speakers along with the main out but for the future I would like to streamline my setup and teardown so I don’t want to have to run multiple cables to the same speaker.

Now with all that being said, I asked all of the DJs out there who think that the autoplay function is not necessary, how would you propose to go and get a bridal party lined up outside of the room that you’re working, make sure that their names are correct, get guest requests during dinner, and have a minute to go to the restroom without the autoplay function.

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First, I would say that the best way to tackle wedding type events is by using the PC, no matter what equipment you have. Second, it doesn’t hurt to have a fellow DJ as helping hand sometimes. Third, I ask the following question: why the auto mix feature has not been implemented into DJ equipments already, after so many years in the digital era? I would say first, that is a decision made by equipment manufacturers and second, that it is not so easy to implement outside the PC domain. What is curious though, is that after so many request for manufacturers to release a standalone equipment, there are voices who can’t image going to an event without a PC, at least as a backup. I tend to agree with that point of view, because a PC gives you freedom.

I think this is a problem lots of us have (and yes, sadly, I have spent a good hour in Space VIP working out the lighting pattern for €500 a bottle of vodka :man_facepalming:). It feels sometimes like I took the wrong pill…

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Well tomorrow is NYE and I’m providing sound and music for a local bar. I was debating what kind of dj gear to bring and settled on my laptop with my s2mk2 and djay pro on my iPhone as back up. There’s no automix on traktor but the automix on djay is pretty good. Most of the night the music will be coming from playlists set to continuous play, just one track after another. Probably an hour and a half at the most of dj mixing, some talking on the mic and playing a few games with the people.

Maybe I’m not a dj :frowning_face:

More like a party jockey :star_struck:

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I want this feature too!

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I totally agree with this post. I feel the auto x-fade feature being limited to zone out is a big waste. I really wish it was available on the master out too (an option to choose which output in the utility would be great). This is a request that wouldn’t hurt a single P4 user, so for anyone that want’s to tell me it’s not needed or to make pre-mixes or to do this or do that… I really don’t care for any of that. This is about making a current feature available on a different output, simple as that. Also it’s a request that many would benefit from.

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Agreed crazy craig

I agree with the reasoning for your request and think it is the next logical step to have in implemented in the Master out as well. I could have used the feature for my last small party but ended up using an XLR splitter that took two seperate XLR (either L or R Master and one L or R zone out) signals and combined them out to my speakers.

This was NOT my ideal solution, but achieved the overall outcome with the ability to play my normal mixes or an automix playlist out to the audience in the same room.

However, some have put it MUCH more elegantly and said to use Zone Out into an input of one of the channels and problem solved…For now.

Elegant, works immediately, no problems.

We all get why you are asking and I want this as well, but do you acknowledge at least that the community has given you an elegant way to get this done NOW ?

Of course I’m voting for the Automix out of the master…definitely needed.

Thanks again to the community for this well thought out workaround.

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Hello prod

I agree this is a decent “for now” option. If you read back on my responses you will see I’m fine with working with the zone out for now. I just wanted to make Denon aware that this is an issue that should be addressed sooner rather than later.

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There are also cons to the work around. One is to ensure the master never plays from the zone out back into the prime4 again.

I need this feature too, what is, when i must go to the toilett? So, it must play automaticly for a while.