SC5000 High End Roll-off


#170

That’s Paul weighing in.


#171

Yes and it’s been month since this response and nothing @mufasa


#172

@LargoS you mean not a fault in terms of an “alternative” technical specification?


#173

The player plays to dancers and so to club party goers and no one will stop their dance with regards to “roll off”

The player was available for a whole year before even DJs had notice hearing any difference. Not even in world stadiums did this be a cause of any negative.


#174

The player was available for a whole year before even DJs had notice hearing any difference.

Because … you know nobody have make measure before and with big large sound system it’s too loud many details are lost but with high end monitoring or hifi system it’s worse just like a magnifying glass

it’s not like the SC5000 cost 150 euros when people buy high end stuff we don’t want bug or issues like this.


#175

Yes, that my point . If it were a notice thing some one would say sooner


#176

But… But … how can you explain the measure ? the facts are there


#177

It is like painting of the underneaths of a car

It is not making a difference to who we are play to

If they denon change this, then that is nice to have great sound to sounder greater, but if they cannot change it as to change it would disabled something else then we probably to moan of the lost feature


#178

Don’t care about lost feature sound quality is the most important espacially when you have high quality speaker mixers and acoustic


#179

but you won’t be able to play with them at all, because clubs want the top of the line, Just like cars or watches, an ordinary ford it’s fine for everyone, but still, you can buy a lambo. And clubs want lambo, even if they have the same limits like everyone. the sc5k is like a bmw, will have no value in 3 years. Look at the prices of old pioneers, look at technics. They are lambos, If denon with the prime series is aiming for the club standard, then I think they are a little bit off road.


#180

The SC Primes are already in used in clubs and at festivals. Already there


#181

Not in europe btw it’s pioneer everywhere what about Finland ?


#182

Not “everywhere” just of high percentage but falling.

Also See opening poster of this topic - he take his sc5000 to club himself


#183

This “discussion” is going nowhere, so I’m going to talk to myself now…

The most important person who listens to my SC’s is me. I am the audience and I want clean crisp audio. My X1800 mixer has it, my RME interface has it, my SC’s have less. Is it a show stopper? Definitely NO!


#184

Among the sound issues, I personally think the keylock off sound quality and the compressor/limiter & very hot output are bigger issues than the high frequency roll-off, but might as well do all of it.


#185

I think one has to do with the other. Some sort of compromise so to speak.


#186

Very possibly on the matter of the compressor/limiter & very hot output. I think they got, dare I say, a bit lazy with the key lock off stuff and just let Elastique do that, too. It should just be sample rate change, sample rate conversion, and a simple filtering, but instead Elastique is doing double duty all the time. It does keep things more consistent, obviously, but it’s also sort of lowest common denominator.


#187

The high frequency roll off at 18k may be the analog filter circuitry after the DAC and not be solveable by firmware update (it is the analogue outputs affected right?) But I still believe Denon can improve it by adding compensation to the gain at that frequency (and above) in DSP domain with the risk of adding distortion or very low headroom in DSP. But it is all up to how the gain structures has been done if there are headroom available.


#188

No it’s on every output. Also on digital.


#189

Also it’s on the Engine Prime Software itself