Agreed
Denon did a great job breaking the rules of “traditional” media players - that’s what makes the SC5000s such innovative devices.
But not everything that’s different is good, too.
Sometimes, there’s reasons why everybody sticks to a certain feature or workflow.
Introducing a new, different workflow, such as the loop move, that only works as expected in one direction (backwards) makes zero sense. First, there’s no real benefit to such a workflow, second, it’s counter-intuitive to the target audience (that is DJs who grew up with software, hence the general feature set of the SC5000).
So, in other words:
Denon tries to sell those devices to (former) software DJs with most of the well known software features and workflow as a main selling point and then breaks some of that stuff.
I call that a bug.
Good for you if you like that.
I wouldn’t like to adjust my workflow because of that.
Maybe Denon can add a setting in the utility menu for a classic and Denon DJ loop move behavior.
If you move the loop forward, the play position does not move with it (1.2.0). I also find this a rather odd behavior. Often I try to find the ‘right’ loop position in a track, so it disrupts my work flow.
Edit: Shifting the play position pointer works very well with beat jump. I would wish for the same behavior when shifting loops.
Yes I know shift , but the play position does not jump forward you have to wait for the play position to catch up to the forwarded loop brace position/jump, yet it jumps back straight away to the nearest beat in the loop brace, but it does not in jumping forwards.
its not about jumping a loop in mid section of that loop brace although should not make a difference if that is what one wants too do, its about the space you jump in-between each loop brace, you may end up wanting to jump a few times, I could do this seamlessly in some dj software backwards and forwards as many jumps at a time and it always catches the next relevant beat .
Although what I will say is unless you are a dj who likes to take chances on the fly then you would not need such loop behaviour I guess. for me as I cue up in headphones and run a mix in my phones if it working well I smoothly blend it in ( Its not about doing a choppy mix as you put it, although again another technique available, I utilize for the job at hand so what ever is needed to keep things exciting yet smooth overall, but certain genre like breakbeat and electro house and drum n bass or hard styles etc the chopping/cutting up/transforming etc. has more of a place)
anyhow for me its always been about the option of creativity other than just straight basic mixing, for me its about the mix within a mix I like to call it, the cueing up on the headphones is a mix waiting to happen when I feel confident, although in my perceptions most club type djs music wise should have practice session where they take chances to evolve such skills the more risk you take the more you can settle into what works for you. I have always worked this way even on vinyl back in the mid eighties on soul and funk and such. so now we have the sync capability this style comes into its own, more time to do such instead of worrying about timing. its the progression I have actually dreamt of since these early days believe it or not. I am very technical minded and love the flexibility to push a mix / remix on the fly etc.
Thanks for your questions Kevin, each to their own.
I am still missing the possibility to rate the Tracks on the fly with the stars-rating. During a set i find the track i love most and want to mark it .
Then pleas show the rating-Stars in the Search-Browser
Another suggestion is still the Wish for a QWERTZ - Keyboard-Layout to be chosen in the Preferences
I undertand what you are saying about this, and maybe it is my workflow against yours, I set loops and cues to the same points and do exactly this, I hit a cue to take me to the relevant section and then drop into the pre-definied loops and turn the loop on. Yes it is a button more than in Serato, but I actually prefer this workflow as the moving loops to an advanced position is much better on the fly with the tech-house / prog I play. All the Old School I play I’ve hit that many times that everything is in place on the pads anyway.
I totally get it though if you play the type of music which finger drumming works for (don’t want to be disrespectful and call it EDM), it works well on 80s/90s house, but like I said, I’ve smashed that music so much over the 25 years I’ve been Doing I know exactly where I want those loops.
When in the green loops mode , I want to fix a different loop to every pad and then when I press to any pad then the playback of that chose loop starts immediate if even playback head was in is another part of the music track at then before.
Now all that plays if I press a lighted up pad is the loop shown on screen gets bright or gets faded as the loop it is made active or made inactive.
That’s the main option or one variation, but I also like to do a mix within a mix in my headphones and the flexibility to jump forward as well as backward is a great advantage as I drop in and out of a mix on times often mixing in the headphones ready to unleash what ever I deem as working well, so 8 cues and loops are great, but the flexibility in having all available options is better. I hope you get that Yeltsin and I appreciate your input.
Point 5! I think this would be really great. I’d like to see artwork where I’ve got it, but a massive amount of my music collection doesn’t have it so to then have the logo would be really cool.
From a coding point of view, I’m sure this is an easy “if [column where the artwork is] is null, then logo, else artwork”
This is a really simple fix that wold just make you go "oh that’s cool’
That would be nice. Also I would like the players to use the artwork in the directory if none is present in the track file. I always try to get the audio as *.aiff instead of *.wav to have artwork present.
Where theres no track artwork id rather see the denon logo rather than them rubbish bubbles (ive said this before). Also, it would be nice to have the ability to arrange the prepare folder (bpm order for example). It would also be good if that prepare list disappeared once the units have been powered off. I would also like the ability to use say layer on one source crate, and layer 2 on a different source crate - for example i can use layee 1 for my rnb folder, layer 2 for house. Very handy when you switch genres several times a night, you can keep your place in each folder that way.
Denon did a great job breaking the rules of “traditional” media players - that’s what makes the SC5000s such innovative devices.
